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I would consider which place to live is a MAJOR factor in someone's future, well on par with sending a child to school. Remember, both are environmental, and both extremely important. I also think there is a little contradiction in what you are saying. You clearly think this is a very important decision, as we all do. So wouldn't you want all the available information on schools, both private and public.
Are there any services that do the same, but only for public schools? Great debate here guys!! It is'nt hard to produce great outcomes academically when every single kid has to go through an exstenive, competitive process to get in and many, many others are excluded due to the lack fo academic capability.
The private schools go through no such process and hence has kids of all academic ability rather than an academic elite which melbourne high and McRob have So for Dargy to rabbit on about "their wonderful achievements", really shows a basic lack of understanding of the amke up of these selective and elite schools. All the students are tested and hand picked!
Kind of ironic isn't it, that these governement schools are elite! Thanks AJ but I think sometimes I'm too passionate for my own good: Ok I get that it could be a service that some may find helpful, I guess I'm always a little critical of services that are one sided Walster , I am very aware of the process to get into Macrob and Melbourne High , I'm really not as ignorant as you think Your the one who "rabbited on " about Regent Consulting in the first place.
Why don't you tell us how they improved yours and your child's life instead of being so vague. It sounds to me like you are promoting them, not that there would be anything wrong with that if you were honest about it.
Dargy, If you were aware of the process of getting in to macrona nd melb high, then it seemed a little strange for your to rabbit on about theri "wonderful achievements" given well It is a very carefully selected elite student body Can you explain your comments about wonderful achievements in light of that? I have already explained how regent consulting were extremely helpful to us and for fear of "promoting" them any further, i will refer to earlier posts.
You really are beginning to bore me Everyone here knows where I stand , I believe in both public and private schools depending on each individuals circumstance So in other words, you can't explain your comments about their the elite, selective sholarship schools wonderful performance?
As i said earlier, kind of ironic that these givernment schools are so elitist. Yes they are selected, yes the school takes pride in their achievements. Not all public schools have an entry exam, eg Balwyn High and they have a wonderful reputation. Are you seriously naive enough to believe that private schools don't encourage low performance students to leave around Year so as not to bring down their VCE results?
Your argument seems to be more against public schools and promoting services like Regent than anything else. I can see pros and cons of both sides What does it cost these days to send kids to private school? Anybody know per annum? Pros and cons of each side? Now that is a laugh from someone who called the advisory service rubbish!!
Yep, real balanced view there. Allegedly encourageing kids to leave i would love to see you name some schools that do this! I will believe it when i see some evidence. I am not trying to be balanced as i am a believer in private schools, which i am entitled to be. I will believe it " - quote Walster Now you are showing your true colours That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the foolish their lack of understanding " -quote Ambrose Bierce.
I didn't realise i was hiding my true colours? Must hvae missed that bit! You are the one trying to claim you are balanced despite your rubbish comment which I noted you ignored again! Nothing worse than someone trying to pretend they are the moral conscience of society and that they present a "balanced" view! Opinions are good, but I remind everyone to be nice - play the ball not the person!
Hi everyone, I hope I'm not the culprit who has caused all these stirring words. I only wanted to pass on my thoughts about the wonderful service I had with Regent and I certainly didn't want to cause any trouble. Please accept my apologies if that's what has happened. Have a wonderful and safe weekend everybody!! Your thoughts have been greatly appreciated and thanks for sharing your positve experience with Regent Consulting.
I hope it may have helped somebody. I am a parent of 3 kids. I completely agree with "Delightful" - based on my very own experience. For me, I willing to invest in my kids education. However, I cant afford to send 3 of my kids to private school from prep. I did some research, by asking a few parents opinions, find out more about the school that I intend to send them to, update education news.
If not, at least they have to try their very best to perform well in their study. Knowledge, skills are one of the most important foundation to do well in life. Yes knowledge is a great thing I don't even know why we bother going to school!
IT appears to make no diference! Question for the passionate Melbourne school experts and any teachers out there. I have noticed a growing trend of merging different classes into "composite" classes.
And so on up the years. A number of parents I have spoken to are concerned - the Grade 1's are now involved with older kids not that this is a always a bad thing, but they do miss being with their friends and I'm sure the Grade 2 kids parents are concerned about being slowed down by the younger students. If anyone is really interested in taking the entrance exam to macrob or melbourne high then they should send their kids to cram school.
It helps a lot!! Does anyone know about the Knox School? I haven't been able to find out much but those who do know it say it is a very good school. We will be sending in the enrollment now for our son who turns three this month to start next year and our daughter who turns three next June to start next year.
Hey I went to a public school from year 7 to 10 before switching to a private school in year 11 to complete my VCE. I applied and sat a couple tests for scholarships during year 10 and ended up getting offers from Xavier, St.
In relation to the public vs private I really enjoyed my VCE experience at a private school except for the excess work during VCE , whereas I had found my particular public school very isolating.
It had a good academic reputation, however this was distorted by the 'acceleration program' kids and high proportion of international students who worked very hard. This sort of hid the fact that there was a high drug presence at the school and funnily enough the teachers there hardly cared half the school was on something. They didnt really cater for students who didnt fall into either of these categories.
It also had less opporunities for extra curricular activites e. So in the end I would say if you are willing to pay for your kids to go to a private school, choose carefully, but there will be a lot more on offer for your kid to experience in a broader sense. Having said that though, make sure your kid keeps a clear view of broader society and its dynamics.
With primary schools though, I would definitely send my kids to a public primary school. Its a personal opinion, but I think having gone to a public primary school with rich multiculturism I learnt a lot more looking back on it. Hey, this is a great discussion! I like smaller schools, and they seem to be quite good on the academic front. But I haven't heard much else about them.
The debate on public vs private could go on forever! My opinion is that a good public primary school can be just as stimulating to the child as a good private school.
The hard part is finding out which are the good local schools! Thanks Walster, you are right. Both are catholic primary schools - you don't pay any where near the fees that are on private schools. The Knox School is excellent. The teachers are really passionate and my child is doing marvellously well. Their website is http: Parallel education, Haileybury adopted this method of teaching few years back and has been a proven success.
From my findings, articles and results, top school in Vic at the moment. Thumbs up to Parallel education. In my opinion, private schools are being run more like companies these days. One only needs to attend an open day and watch a presentation from the likes of Rosa Storelli, Prinicipal at MLC, pitching the values and benefits of her school, over the competition, to see how professional they have become. This is big business.
I would love to know what MLC's annual turnover and profits are I suspect it would be the envy of many CEO's. She did a good enough job to sell me, with my daughter starting Yr7, in Clearly, if you want a high quality boys only school, it is a more daunting process.
Here it is if you would like to read I have had applications in at both Carey and Camberwell Boys for my son, who is now in yr 2 at a local primary school. I attended open days at both schools a couple of years ago before putting the applications in and both were impressive for different reasons. I have recently been reconsidering these options, with his sister now enrolled at MLC and was also considering the other schools mentioned above, albeit that my chances of getting a place now for yr7 at Trinity, Scotch, or, St'Kevs have decreased significantly, with recent enquiries.
I was living in Camberwell and now in Glen Iris. A school closer to MLC, with similar public transport routes would be helpful. Any views and opinions based on first hand experiences with these schools would be much appreciated. Our daughter started at Ruyton from pre-prep and i feel that it was a fantastic school, would highly recommend it.
Being a slightly smaller school, as opposed to PLC or MLC, i feel students were given many more opportunities to participate and also received greater individual attention. In terms of sending your child to a private school from the beginning, it depends on the family and the child. Both our children son and daughter have attended private schools since pre-prep and i feel it was a great investment in their education. However i understand that this is not a feasible option for many families and as long as you feel the child suits the school and it provides a good learning environment, primary schools can be just as good.
As i mentioned in an earlier post,we used a service which helped us enormously with this issue, Regent Consulting. A number of my friends have also since used them and they have helped them as well. I think their website is well worth a look before you commit to such a large investment.
Let us put this into perspective. Sending your child to a private school - sounds fantastic. However, there is a huge financial burden on the family and this changes the dynamics greatly. Those people who are putting their kids into schools because of prestige are slightly out of kilter. I have done both public, private for both children. I noticed there is a huge amount of pressure on this VCE number.
From my experience with children in the private sector at top schools there a lot of unhappy young adults. The pressure changes their perspective and with that the whole family dynamic changes from two points: You need to be looking at your child's stress coping abilities, flexibility and a whole spectrum of coping skills to navigate through the educational tunnel to allow your child to come out a well balanced individual.
My son attended Air Force Cadets, this put him in great stead to attend to pressure, group dynamics and the stuff the world is made of - he went to Suicide was on the cards twice by two different boys and this is obviously a pressure point. Another student obtained a VCE score of Not what the school offers. Because there is a fine line between bringing up a balanced individual, under stress and pressures that they would not welcome. These schools are run like companies. Sadly the profit is the bottom line and achieving a score that is quite ridiculous in the scheme of life.
I have two beautiful kids, both happy and content - I have seen plenty of kids with brilliant VCE scores but on drugs, alcohol and dependancy issues because of coping skills. Do not sign you kids up to a program they cannot cope with. I too am looking for a school in Melbourne as we are considering moving from the UK husband is Australian Our son is currently in a private, selective boys prep that is highly regarded and has a reputation for sending boys to Eton, Harrow, Habs etc once they turn We'd be looking at the equivelant in Melbourne.
We're not interested in fashion or social connections. Only academic achievement and results. We've had the following recommended so far for primary: We've had all sorts of mixed responses, including "it's easier to get in if you're from overseas", "it's harder to get in if you're from overseas", "state primaries are better than privates", "private primaries are better than state", "you'll only get in if you have an 'old boy' family connection" and so on.
Apparently, the private schools in Melbourne are all about time spent on waiting lists and nothing to do with assessment, which is astonishing. We have no 'old boy' networks whatsoever. The only possible "card" is that our son's Grandfather was a former elite sportsperson very well known and also involved in politics at a high level. I'm sure nobody would really care much about that. Anyway, I've read this thread with interest - any other thoughts would be appreciated!
Moth, if you are looking for schools the equivalent to ones in the UK that get your child into Harrow, Eton etc then the two schools in Melbourne that would be equivalents would be Geelong Grammar and Melbourne Grammar. Camberwell, Trinity and Wesley are all good, but in "access" leagues if they still count they ,along with Ivanhoe, Xavier, St Michael's, Yarra Valley or whatever it's now called , Brighton, Assumption College and Geelong College, offer really great alternatives depending on the individual child and I think importantly, geography.
If you intend that your son Board, then i'd go for Melbourne Grammar. If I had my time again I'd send my two boys there, they boarded at Canberra Grammar and while that was great and they both were really happy, given the amount I spent I think I would have been better to insist on Melbourne. Thanks Canuk - we've definitely got Melbourne Gramar on our radar, although we are aware it will be a tough call to get a place.
Indeed, Trinity, Wesley are all on our list as well. Hopefully we'll be able to secure a place. I've heard great things about Canberra Grammar too - friends of my husband went there. Thanks again - this is all very informative advice. It will open doors magically! To the private school experts out there, from what age do I need to book my girl into school?
I have heard of people booking kids in from birth? And how many schools should I book her into to be sure of a place? Moth, I think you would find that if you were to move to Melbourne, you would have a plethora of choices of great schools; the real challenge will be which one 's you might be able to get into, given most parents get their children's names down at a number of optional schools from around the time of birth to be assured of an enrollment opportunity.
The more prestigious schools like Scotch and Geelong Grammar often have connections with overseas schools and especially in England. JVS - I am no expert on this issue, but my recommendation would to try narrow your target schools down to 3 and then send applications out as soon from birth as possible, given that it appears that the option for enrollment is dependent on how early your application was submitted.
I have studied in Victoria University, Well it is necessary to chose the school where you children will be comfortable enough. Help - I have a similar issue - does anyone know whether Kew Primary School is any good? We have 1 boy and 1 girl. Not sure we can afford private from prep and wondering whether it is worth it? Also on the waitlist at Carey for both and Camberwell Boys for son.
If we turn the places down now will we miss out later? I attended Camberwell Girls on a scholarship from there was no way my parents could afford to send me to a private school no matter how much they would have liked to. Prior to that Boroondara Park Primary School public co-ed. Both were excellent schools. Although not really gifted at anything besides academia, I was able to participate in pretty much everything I wanted - sport, music, drama etc - as there was not SO much competition girls vs girls makes a huge difference!
The diversity of opportunities and experiences I had were incredible. I loved high school, and it was one of the happiest times of my lives. Not many people can say that I don't think! Sitting for and obtaining scholarships bypasses that waiting list ;. I would definitely recommend attending some sort of training college prior to sitting scholarship exams at age 12, I attended EdWorks in Camberwell for most of the year as an 11yo and this certainly gave me an advantage.
I sometimes wonder if the co-education thing would have been good, and believe I would have been happy at Carey if I had instead gone to a co-ed school. Friends of mine boarded at Geelong Grammar and had a fabulous experience there too, if that helps. Carey is a great co-ed school. I love going there - everyone is really friendly and there is no 'bitchiness' at all which is pretty hard to find in a school. It also builds well rounded people - Not only intelligent, but people who have great social skills and can communicate with others and the world around them in a way that is thoughtful and seeking.
Yes, in the papers it isn't one of the 'top 10 schools', but that is because about 75 students do the International Baccalaureate Diploma instead of the VCE, often the top students. Carey is definitely the best co-ed school in melbourne, but I would say Caulfield is good too. As for wesley, they have a reputation for being very full of drugs and is apparently the only APS school that takes people who have been 'expelled' or 'asked to leave' As for the best school in melbourne - I would say Melbourne Grammar.
The best schools co-ed schools and male schools are the ones that form the APS, a prestigious group. I don't think Lauriston is a good school - They selectively pick people in middle school and senior school on their grades, and kick anyone out that doesn't get Bs or higher. Ruyton has a rep for being the school where the 'precious mummies send their kids' and it's a relatively new school so it doesn't have that prestigious reputation. I have been at Carey since kindergarten and I think the kindergarten was very good from what my parents said , junior school was really good They have lots of exchanges such as robinson river in NT in yr 6 to England,Hong Kong, New York, Canada and South Africa.
I apsolutely loved middle school yr and senior school is great too yr It wil be interesting to see how Carey go with a new Principal. No mention of St Kevin's? Perhaps she needs to re visit theri results for the past 5 years or so, where they have been beating the likes of Scotch and Melb Grammar. AS we have discussed on here ad nausum now, it really is about what is the best fit rather than what is the best school, hence why so many people find a service like Regent Consulting provide, so useful.
Im new to area and need to find primary and secondary schools!! I went to Carey and thoroughly enjoyed it. A well-rounded school with great teachers and support, plus a variety of programs. Lixon, try websites as follows: Lauriston is a leading private school, so the school is in good hands it seems: I went to presbyterian ladies college and academically it can do very well.
If your child is ambitious, hard working, super competitive and not prone to crack under stress then plc is the place to send your girl and it offers ib and vce.
The teachers are not overly great - you only get one or two really fantastic teachers n each subject but you are not gauranteed to get them, some of the teachers are really lazy. Also, only a small group of plc girls will have a great social life - most of the girls dont have a proper social life because they study instead.
So it is definitely not the school to send if you want your child to be good at socializing it is a more important skill as you get older. Other girls schools i recommend: Best choice would be camberwell girls: The campus is probably the nicest school campus in melbourne - it has exquisite grounds scotch is plcs brother school , some boys do very well academically and it is well-rounded education with great opportunities.
And in general, people tend to find camberwell boys to be more approachable than scotch boys there is a stigma that scotch boys are daddy's boys. Those are my recommendations, hope it helps it gives you a more accurate description of what the schools are really like as a student as i just graduated in One of the problems sending your child to a private school is when they get into university and cannot cope because they have been spoon-fed throughout secondary school.
They have not learnt the skills to manage their own time and research capabilities. Ask any university lecturer who copes the best! If you didn't do the work lecturers didn't care - they just failed you. I did see quite a few private school kids get kicked out of university early on. Having said that, I will still be sending my kids to private school. I have enrolled my son at Wesley College for Year 7 beginning in I'm an old Wesley boy myself having completed with the last all boy form to pass through the school in Can anyone shed any light on the school culture there in the last few years as I've had nothing to do with the place for many years.
I hear many conflicting things about bullying, standards and so on. Any insights would be very much appreciated. Looks like Xavier is at it again! Do you think Xavier is unfairly scrutinised by the media? I would have started at this school in year 7, but I received a scholarship, and I or rather, my parents decided to send me there early.
I also received scholarship offers to Brighton and St Leonards, and was on the waiting list for Hailerbury, however, due to past family members attending Mentone, its facilities, friends planning to attend and its relative proximity to where we lived at the time, I decided on MGS. I had a fantastic time at Mentone, and I think it set me up really well for life. However, in year 9 not year 8 as usual , I sat the entrance to MHS just to see where I was at academically. To my surprise, I got in, and I decided to move there for year 10, due to the better academic standards, more challenging curriculum and, an obvious factor, the much lower fees.
I enjoy MHS a lot, and don't regret my decision at all, but it is quite a high-pressure environment. You are expected to do well, and the teachers hand out work as such. MGS was more like an 'old boys club', or something along those lines.
Plenty of help, a lot of fun, and low-pressure. At MGS you can excel, but they won't push you to work hard, unless you genuinely show interest in achieving a high score in VCE.
Anyway, those are just my experiences, but to be honest, as has been said multiple times so far, it all comes down to the student. Unless my child i'm looking a good years ahead here ; is extremely academically minded, I would certainly send them to a private school, as they are a much more 'comfortable' experience than public schools, although this all comes down to your personality.
It has an international reputation as an exceptional school, gets rave reviews its pupils and parents check out the reviews on Google! Definately worth a look! No, Westbourne Grammar is quite a poor school. I was an exchange there for a year. I went to a few schools in South Australia, so much better. Lots of overseas students from mainland China are of very low quality as rubbish students in both academic and character aspects. They are rubbish students originally in their own country.
These guys said they came in Australia on fake academic records. It is not a secret. The school must know it. What a big shame to be their schoolmates! I am thining of sending my son there in year 9. University High is selective and weight is given to residents so I am not sure it is simply a matter of "deciding" to send your son there.
That aside I have heard nothing but good about the school. It is very intense and demands a lot, so if your child is that way inclined, go for it! How does University High compare to a private school? I also have him on a waiting list for St Kevins. Not much mention of St Kevins in the discussion. I would have enjoyed this school when I was his age. He is a well rounded confident male who values everything about his life to date! Some years of experience across a range of independent Schools: It is outstanding, very happy.
The school seems to have an excellent mix of values and academic education - it's not all about marks but being a whole, robust person. A large school with a good mix of "average families", not just wealthy ones although it is a very expensive school! It has its fair chair of "rough" elements however the school is so big that is seems most girls can find their own "group".
Some students seem to get lost in the "machine" that is MLC, but in the main a very good school. Have a very wide range of students - special needs, deaf programs etc. Anyone with an independent character would struggle here.
The full year away at Howqua is far too long and creates problems for many students being away from their families for a whole year at a critical age year 9. For those who "fit the mould" it is a good school that does achieve good academic results.
The previous Head stripped all the character out of the school and it is now a marks factory using scholarship students and fast tracking to hot house students and get top results - although they don't always do so! Extremely "social" but not in a good way - lots of aspirational parents who are trying to buy their way into society.
Very cliquey with bullying problems at some levels.. New Head shows much more promise - watch this space! Very good sports program esp cross country but also across the board- a school that punches above its weight in sport. Talk of many parents leaving in the senior years and crossing to other schools esp MLC and Carey. Hit "rock bottom" a few years ago, difficult transition with a new head who has tried to bring in many changes but with some difficulty.
On the road to recovery now - odd middle school set up, Years 5 to 8 - seems like an incompatible age range. Has been through a difficult era but the current head has brought it round.
However, she is well past retirement age - indeed she HAD retired from her previous school. Wonder what the succession plan is? Very tightly tied to the Toorak social scene: Nice school spirit with lots of participation. A "modern" boys school of a very high calibre. Parents there are always very happy to recommend Trinity. Further on independent schools, without prejudice I hope or any science, this is generally how I perceive Melbourne's "top" senior schools are tiered in terms of prestige and status if this is what matters to you Top of the tree: Kevins, whatever school is no guarantee your child will succeed in life per se.
Try tuition while yachting around the globe as a family. Probably too difficult for most parents. Maybe all could learn from the experience. The treadmill turns them into Doctors and Lawyers. How dull our Jack and Jill He was also extremely musical - he loved the school. I think it is a bit unique in terms of being an "inner city" high school in a part of Melbourne that would attract a lot of slightly left of centre "intellectuals and creatives" with money in the pocket.
So without any direct experience I have never been to the school the "word" is good on Universtiy High. I agree that the choice of school is no guarantee of success. But having gone through the experience of having a child at a school that didn't "fit" well for them, and then finding a school that does fit, I will say that choosing a school that fits your child and your family helps them enjoy school and be confident in who they are.
I note you have your son down for St Kevins further back in the posts: The school is very definitely on the rise and is going great guns academically and in sport. I believe their values program is good too. So, I think you have two great, but quite different options. Some advice, for what it's worth: Being close to school is not essential but I would always choose a school a bit closer than one far away. This is not just about practicality but also about friendships - it's easier for your son to develop friendships if he lives in the same part of the city as his classmates.
We have gone from single sex girls to co-ed in Grade 8 and it has been fantastic. While Skevs is definitely quite a "laid back" school community and not one of the "old" eastern suburbs schools with all the toffiness and cliques this can bring, it is still located in Toorak and it is certainly aligned with the eastern suburbs of the city.
If you don't live in that "world" you may find it isn't a great fit for your family, and visa versa with University High. If you son is very sporting and this is important to him and you, you'll find that an independent school will offer opportunities that few govt schools can. Skevs is in the APS network and competes against all the big name boys and co-ed schools in a range of sports, including rowing.
I am looking to get my girl into a private school, she's only three years old now but I hear you need to get in early. Melbournefan - if you're looking for a girls' school you are in a much better position than co-ed or boys: Yes, you do need to get in early, however because there are so many girls schools there is generally much greater scope. If you plan for junior school entry however you will need to get her down within a few years - for senior school entry you'd want to have her down by at least 6 or 7 yrs.
I would suggest you enrol in three schools minimum: The high profile boys schools definitely do want a big deposit which you don't get back! If you were thinking of a co-ed school, get in ASAP. I know people who didn't get in for next year's Grade 7 intake after having their applications lodged before their child's first birthday: I would love to know the basis of that given they Brighton haven't held a candle to St Kevin's for many years by virtually any criteria. I did like your girls summary though.
Very happy to defer to your judgement on that one Walster! I don't know much about the Bayside schools, so scrap Brighton from the top of the tree list! St Kevins is definitely on the rise - while once a "poorer cousin" to Xavier in the Catholic School hierarchy, they are shooting up the tree on a number of bases: One thing of interest to note on Skevs - not sure if this has happened this year, but up until now Skevs adopted a Year 7 entry policy of interview and offer.
Unlike other schools the "order on the waiting list' was not the key criteria. This actually meant that Skevs could take the pick of the crop of boys who had missed out on getting into Scotch as well as other schools , so they have successfully recruited top notch kids. Having said that they haven't made the error of some girls schools in seeking out academic high flyers only, they seem to have achieved a good mix.
Walster - so, for the record, your assessment of the Bayside schools would be a great addition to the resource here! I think you will find people choosing it over Scotch and other schools now as they perform just as well academicaly, better sporting wise and charge 10k less, so not so sure they pick up the ones who missed out on other schools.
I think you wil find ST kevs is actually harder to get into. What does a "more contempory approach to educating boys" mean? I don't have a great knowledge of bayside schools in general-sorry! How do uo know so much? Scotch is a school with long family connections and a large proportion of those who send their sends their went their themselves, as did their fathers.
I am not implying for one second that Skevs is in any way inferior - I have praised them considerably above as you will see. For some people the perceived standing and traditions of Scotch will outweigh any other choice and be their first option.
Thus, demand for schools such as Scotch and MGS will inevitably outweigh that to all other schools. This means understanding how boys learn and what sort of values creates "good men". MGS, Trinity and Skevs stand out as schools that are adopting such an approach.
Does this make me qualified to speak? Not sure but just hoping my advice might help someone You soudn like you are more than qualified. You have since repeated that they "on the way up" which obviously indicates they are not there yet but on the way.
They have been in the top three APS schools for VCE results for the past 7 years 1st three times and have won countless sporting titles in that time and charge 10k lesss approx This is all subjective of course and i am not sure you are completely up to speed with their skevs enrolment policies or indeed to actual length of the waiting lists. I repeat, your analysis of the girls schools and their respective cultures , was very informative.
I think all this healthy debate just shows how damm hard it is to make a decision and how subjective this process is. Just because you already have one son in Scotch doesn't guarentee a spot for a younger sibling. Not particular impressed with the likes of PLC or MLC unless you want to be a number in the system, plus there are way too many Asians not being racist here either. We are moving to Melbourne in a year.
I am impressed by the very large amount of good schools to choose from. I am somewhat of a traditionalist and would like my daughter and son currently in year 5-twins to go to a school that well, without wanting to sound one dimensional, still teaches manners and imposes some form of discipline.
Of course, the cane has long gone from schools however I have observed some excellent teachers in the modern school who have the know how to teach children to become responsible adults and future leaders. For example, I worry about a school such as Xavier and wonder what could be going on there that students feel bullying and shoplifting are good activities to be doing in your idle hours.
Any schools that have traditional values yet with a modern approach? Maybe have a look at Ruyton for your daughter. I know they taught the girls basic etiquette i. As i have said on here before, we got independent advice from a consultant and it was very helpful and well worth the money.
Wei, given you are new to Melbourne, I would seriously consider using regent consulting who helped us. Thank you for your comments. I agree Lily Friends in Hong Kong have informed me that the western society does not teach manners to their children.
This is of course rumour and not always true. We wish our children to be succeeding but not in aggressive bullying way and to work hard. Have the consequences for actions in traditional way, with cane if necessary. I do not suppose this is happening in schools in Victoria?
We shall look at Ruyton though, thank you. My language is not English first, I apologise if I seem too forward with questions.. Thankyou Walster we shall certainly look at website for the good boys school. Wei I think camberwell girls had good but fair discipline when I went there. The teachers were strict but kind and we highly respected them.
Dress code, punctuality etc was strictly enforced and school community spirit was strong. FHT, I have been enlightened and now feel up to speed on the private school sector. However, I would like to know if you can give me a review on public girls schools? I would dearly love my daughter to attend a private girls or co-ed school but I am not in a financial position to provide this.
I know many friends have enrolled their sons into St. Kevins because it is the cheapest private boys school with a good academic reputation but there doesn't appear to be a girls school in the same price bracket with the same attributes. I know many people with daughters at Melbourne Girls College and they are extremely happy with the School. I know less about Canterbury Girls but have one friend with a daughter there and she is happy with it.
Schools in the Catholic Education system do generally have lower fees, I am not sure what current fees are at Genazanno. Siennea College is not too far from you, and would have lower fees, but given your closeness to MGC I don't really think you could go wrong with it. If your daughter is academically oriented she could also try for a place at Mac Robertson College yr 9 - 12 the Selective State School for girls, which is easily the most succesful girls school in Victoria in terms of academic outcomes.
Given every student is handpicked and has to pass an exam, I actually reckon their results are disappointing. Can anyone give me some insight into the student culture at Merton hall? I am told that in the past bullying was a problem -has the current headmistress managed to change that? One comment mentions that mgg hit rock bottom a while back , any more info on that would be useful, thanks. I have limited up-to-date knowledge but know of two girls who experienced extreme bullying - one had to leave the school - however in both instances this is more than five years ago.
Are most of the girls from Toorak? I get the feeling most of the families are very affluent "establishment" society people, although the admissions staff assure me it is reasonably diverse. The new Principal is quite impressive and is obviously making a lot of changes. Also - any comments on Lowther Hall? I am looking for an independent school for my child to start prep and one that I really liked and am seriously considering is Melbourne City School which is in the CBD- it only opened up a couple of years ago, but is the city campus of Eltham College an independent school which seems to have a really good repuation- both academically and in other areas..
Also, because the school is quite new, it is very small which I like I also like the fact that they offer 7am-7pm extended hours program- I am based in the city for work as is my husband, so if I chose Melbourne City, it would be very convenient for us both to work- love the idea that my child is so close to me.
Apparently parents are welcome to pop in for lunch etc. I don't think a lot of people have heard of it- although I would be interested to observe the repuation that it gets as it becomes more established- seems to have a lot of potentital. Hi all, I've read all of the above with great interest and may I just congratulate everyone on keeping this going for so long!!
We have three young children, our first born is a boy who will start prep in a couple of weeks he's 5 , the next two are girls aged 3 and 1. We did all our school applications for year 7 entry in for Caulfied, Carey, Wesley and Trinity we weren't positive where we would be living come so we spread our applications out across the major co-eds and included Trinity as husband is an Old Boy just as our son turned 2 and our first daughter was born in We are yet do our second daughter's as we stupidly assumed she would just get in on sibling preferences.
Each school accepted our enrolment fee of course! Having heard from a friend that there was absolutely no hope of a place at Carey I called to enquire myself given that is currently our closest co-ed school and our kids will be attending a local primary. Well, that was quite the conversation!!
Having been informed that our son "has no priority" and they will "not have a place for him" they suggested we TRY getting our youngest in at Prep and "IF she is accepted" the others would probably! Obviously this is standard operating procedure for many schools but my husband and I do not wish to seperate our children for three years during their primary education and have thus begun to just FREAK OUT!!!
As I am an old Wesley student I have been assured by the school that there will "be a place" for my children there. I have to say I absolutely loved my time at the school and participated in so many fantastic opportunities offered across academia, sport and drama and would feel very lucky to have my children experience the same BUT all I ever hear about is drug problems!! I'm hoping someone might be able to offer some insght into the real culture there at present.
When I was there 20 years ago - ugh! In fact as students we used to feel perhaps with our rose coloured glasses? Anyway, after ALL that, my question is - what is it really like?? Has Weslesy turned into a privately funded Woodstock or is the truth that drugs are everywhere in society, in all schools, private, public, and out of school as well?? Alltoostressful - I know several people who currently have children at Wesley and are very, very happy with the school.
One family has three children, who are very different in personality and strengths, but all three have found their niche there and love it. The common theme seems to be that Wesley is great at drawing out the individual strength of each child, and is flexible and willing to adapt to the individual. If we go co-ed I have two daughters it is definitely my first choice. I accept that Carey has good results and is a good school.
However I think it is actually dishonest of them to solicit and accept money from people for applications that they know full well cannot be successful, and this practice reflects very poorly indeed on the school. We did go on a tour of Carey, and I found them to be very smug! They just went on and on about the waiting lists. I asked why they spend so much money on advertising when the waiting lists are so full and the Principal said it is because of the school's "business model".
We did not apply. On the other hand, the staff at Wesley were very warm and friendly and the kids seemed happy and engaged. I think that Wesley suffers from a reputation based on incidents 20 years ago, which has persisted and does not reflect the current reality. In fact Carey has had a number of recent undesirable drug incidents do a google news search.
In truth, probably every secondary school has drugs in it to some extent, and it is how the school deals with this that matters. I note that Wesley have a comprehensive drug policy available on their website , which is strictly adhered to. Thanks so much Mrsmugglewump, you've made my day!! Based on your account it sounds as though Wesley is still as it always was in terms of the diversity of expeience it can offer. Funnily enough I believe I may have been partly involved innocent bystander of course!
I dont think I could be living a less controversial life now suburban housewife anyone? I'm sorry I can't offer you any insights into MGGS - unfortunately all my knowledge of schools is based on what I knew of the people who were there 20 years ago which is obviously totally irrelevent now.
Similarly I realised last night that not one child who attends school from now will be there when my eldest reaches year 7 so current problems anywhere can be taken with a grain of salt at best. I've seen a local primary school go from Hero to Zero in under 3 years due to issues with a Principal so you really never know what's around the corner. Thanks again Mrsmugglewump for your insights and best of luck with your search for the right school for your girls.
Any other feedback from anyone still very much welcome. As an old boy of one of Melbourne's highly regarded, disgustingly privileged, absurdly state-subsidised APS private schools, I think that these so-called "elite" private schools are a disgusting example of how the rich and privileged try to close out the great unwashed from the fruits of education, to the long term disadvantage of our country.
The "elite" bellow about paying tax, they whinge about sharing their good fortune with other Australians, yet they accept middle class welfare towards their "elite" schools without a word.
It's a meritocracy requiring an exam pass to enter in Year 9. Merit doesn't depend on the bank balance of the pupil's parents, bullying is unknown compare that with every "elite" private school, especially dinosaur institutions like Xavier , it's cool to be smart rather than adhering to the institutionalised stupidity that has infected nearly all private schools, and your kids actually get to meet real Australians including - shock horror - "Asians" rather than the colourless denizens of the leafy, boring, white bread inner eastern and southern suburbs like me.
All people with money have no merit according to goodschools but totally selective govt schools are ok. No asianin private schools? Gee, not sure what rock you ahve been under. Perhaps you shouldconcetrateon the leadership battle within your party. How about we don't fundany private schools and let's see how much more it costs the average Australian.
Obviously economics not your long suit. I can only imagine they had wonderful educations. I guess you might call those schools "intellectually elite". A different type of elitism, but elite nevertheless. While my daughter is pretty bright, she's not at the level of being able to gain entry to MacRob.
So, I'm a single mum who is working two jobs to send my daughter to an independent school. I was lucky enough to also attend an independent school. Rather than giving me a sense of elitism, I actually think it gave me a very strong sense of social responsibility, justice and respect for others around me. Perhaps not all private schools do that, but mine did. My daughter's first independent school didn't, and so she moved to another which is more than delivering on that primary goal.
I believe the options available to her are greater, particularly in areas which are her passion. I pay not only for the moral and intellectual framework but, yes, for the equipment and facilities that support her learning.
I do not believe that the Government contribution to my school fees is middle class welfare. I pay my taxes, I do not complain, but I expect that my child's compulsory education will be supported similarly to any other child's, regardless of my willingness to sacrifice holidays, cars, furniture and even re-painting my house, in order for her to experience the school she attends. It's funny that you talk about meeting real Australians and refer to Asians - clearly you haven't been in many independent schools lately, they are absolute cultural melting pots, because so many families who have chosen to come to Australia from Asia, India and other parts of the world seek out an independent education for their children.
The "colourless denizens" are no more. All strength to it, I say. As well, independent schools are no longer the playgrounds of "old money". Indeed they are increasingly filled with the children of hard working ordinary people who aspire to provide their child with more. Are they seeking to buy "social cachet"? Perhaps, I don't know, but either way, it is breaking down the old systems of class and privilege and making private schools far more reflective of the normal world.
I also ask if you have also explored the other alternative - the government schools beyond the elite selectives - before delivering your commentary? As examples, have you visited Kew or Hawthorn High Schools and assessed their offerings? Sure, Balwyn and University High are great, but have you really sought to understand the other side of things, the side you might have faced had your children not had the academic capacity to gain entry to selective schools, nor you the financial ability to fund private education?
Elitism has many definitions PS and yes I don't understand Walster's allusion to political parties either For the record, I am ALP all the way. My first post hasn't surfaced so I'll start again. I attended The Geelong College, a school I'm sure most would know little about and probably wouldn't consider though there were kids travelling from Melbourne or boarding. It is one of the founding members of the APS and was founded years ago and has a good balance of sporting and academic results.
It's not selective, doesn't "kick out" poor performers and has none of the snobby rubbish Melbourne private schools seem to suffer. Not sure if it's really "second tier" as FHT but I guess it is subjective.
I too am interested in the Melbourne City School however after research I think the lack of inter-school sports program within the area you have to travel to the Eastern suburbs , sort of defeats the purpose of being located in the city. We're located in the University High catchment it is not selective as others have said, just zoned however I'll be putting the kid's name down at Wesley where their cousins attend and St Kev's where their father attended as a back up in case Uni High doesn't suit them.
They have a cousin at Lauriston but baulk at the thought of having to deal with the elitist attitude - is it really as bad as others make out?
Sophia Mundi is worth looking at if you are after a broad, liberal Steiner Education, in an amazing location at the Abbotsford Convent. It may not have the resources of the larger private schools but it does have a soul and a great sense of community amongst parents, teachers and students. Xavier is a fantastic school. My son has been at the school for 2 years.
He has previously lived all over the world and Xavier has welcomed him in as a new kid better than any other school he has been to. I went to a country high school, my husband to another APS private school. Both of us are in AWE of the wonderful ethics, team work and morals the school promotes. I particularly love how they encourage many layers of support for the students. Every kid has at least 20 people who are there for support, encouragement and to lend an ear. Its a great school and I am Very proud to see my son wear the red and black.
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